In this conversation with the principals of Tim Barber Architects, the discussion explores how architecture has evolved since 2020. The pandemic fundamentally changed how people live in their homes, forcing architects to rethink everything from spatial organization and material choices to health, resilience, and long-term adaptability.
The architects describe a profession balancing client desires, environmental realities, and community responsibility. Topics include aging in place, the shift away from open floor plans, rebuilding after wildfire loss, and the growing role of resilience and sustainability in residential design.
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The conversation also examines larger systemic issues—from the housing crisis and the loss of architectural criticism to concerns about deregulating the architectural profession and the future pipeline of architects. Ultimately, the discussion reveals architecture as both a creative discipline and a civic responsibility.
Tim Barber, Kelly Becker, David Stone, Ari Engleman, Katie Peterson-Hesketh
Post-Pandemic Spatial Design
Homes are now workplaces, classrooms, and wellness environments. Architects are designing more flexible, compartmentalized spaces rather than large open rooms.
The Reassessment of the Open Floor Plan
Open layouts are losing popularity as homeowners seek acoustic separation, privacy, and spatial hierarchy.
Healthy Homes
Clients increasingly ask about air quality, non-toxic materials, EMF concerns, and overall wellness in the built environment.
Aging in Place & Multigenerational Living
Homes are being designed for lifelong occupancy, with elevators, adaptable bathrooms, and secondary primary suites.
Housing Crisis Misconceptions
The problem is not a lack of housing overall but a shortage of affordable, well-located housing.
Sustainability Through Longevity
The most sustainable building is the one that already exists. Adaptive reuse and generational homes are key strategies.
Fire Resilience and Climate Adaptation
Wildfire rebuild projects are forcing architects to rethink materials, structural resilience, and building codes.
“Performance Spending”
Homeowners must choose between visible luxury and invisible resilience investments.
Architects as Client Advocates
Architects frequently guide clients away from poor decisions through education and alternatives rather than simply saying “no.”
Material Uncertainty and Construction Cost Volatility
Rapid cost changes and new materials create challenges for planning and specification.
Professional Deregulation Concerns
Removing architectural licensing protections could threaten safety, quality, and professional standards.
Education and Knowledge Sharing
The firm runs an internal “university” model to continuously train staff and share knowledge.
Loss of Architectural Criticism
The disappearance of critics and serious architectural journalism has created a cultural vacuum in evaluating design.
Adaptive Reuse and Density
Office conversions and moderate urban density may become major architectural trends.
Future of Residential Design
Homes may become smaller but more sophisticated—prioritizing performance, durability, and resilience.
Industry experts discuss the shift from “The Triangle” to “The Zone,” the explosion of ADUs in Southern California, and why your Pinterest board might be lying to you.
Southern California builders, designers, and innovators to dissect the radical shifts in residential design since 2022. The conversation moves beyond simple aesthetics to explore how the “post-pandemic” home has become a multi-functional hub. From the technical complexities of “electrically heavy” kitchens to the rise of Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs) as multi-generational lifelines, this episode serves as a masterclass in the collaborative effort required to build a “forever home” in today’s market.
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The Great Post-Pandemic Kitchen Reset
Leading builders and designers discuss the demise of the “work triangle,” the rise of multigenerational spaces, and why clients must stop scrolling Pinterest and start budgeting before remodeling.
Summary of Key Concepts
The Death of the “Work Triangle”: The traditional 1940s “work triangle” has been replaced by specialized “micro-zones” (e.g., breakfast stations, baking zones, “Mission Control” homework hubs) to accommodate multi-user and multi-generational households.
The Intergenerational Anchor: As adult children and elderly parents move back, kitchens are expanding into living areas, becoming the specialized, central ecosystem that anchors the home.
Specialization Over Cabinetry: Clients now prioritize hyper-specific, electrically heavy stations (like advanced smoothie stations with plumbing or complex water filtration for a coffee obsession) over a simple maximum quantity of cabinet boxes.
Aging in Place & Wellness: Technology like steam ovens, induction cooktops (safer for both younger cooks and seniors), and automated, sensory lighting is being integrated to support lifelong wellness in “forever homes.”
The Crucial Co-Lab: Designer + GC + Vendor: The most successful projects integrate the interior designer and the contractor from the discovery call, ensuring the client is educated on true procurement timelines and material realities before walls go up.
The Death of the “Kitchen Triangle”: Designers are moving away from traditional layouts toward “zone-based” design. Modern kitchens now feature dedicated baking stations, “mission control” desks for homework, and professional-grade coffee bars.
The Multi-Generational Shift: High interest rates and cost-of-living increases are bringing adult children and elderly parents back under one roof. This has turned ADUs (Accessory Dwelling Units) from optional luxuries into essential square footage for privacy and accessibility.
Wellness & Innovation: A surge in “healthy home” awareness is driving the popularity of induction cooktops (reducing gas emissions) and steam ovens over traditional ranges.
The “Team-First” Approach: Why engaging a contractor and designer before plan-check saves thousands. The panel explains how early collaboration prevents “alarmist” project meetings and ensures technical feasibility for heavy appliance loads.
The Pinterest/AI Pitfall: Experts warn against the “social media expectation gap.” They discuss how to translate a “feeling” from an AI-generated image into a functional, buildable reality that fits a Southern California budget.
Quality Disparity: A crucial lesson on “Trade vs. Retail” products—explaining why the same brand name can have vastly different internal components (plastic vs. brass) depending on where it’s purchased.
Resource Links & Applicable Elements
Dumont Builders:Official Website – Specialty commercial and high-end residential construction.
Johnson & Fernandez Interior Design:Portfolio & Services – Full-service design specializing in color and new construction.
Pacific Sales:Kitchen & Home Innovations – A one-stop shop for premium appliances and plumbing fixtures.
California ADU Laws:HCD Official Portal – Information on the updated regulations making garage conversions and ADUs easier in Southern California.
Induction vs. Gas:Energy Star Guide – Research on the wellness and efficiency benefits of the induction technology discussed by the panel.
Designing for Life: Architecture, Emotion, and the Long View
Architect Cathy Purple Cherry challenges the idea that buildings are static objects, arguing instead that great architecture evolves with human behavior, emotion, and time.
From biophilic design and post-pandemic living patterns to aging-in-place and purposeful restraint, Purple Cherry shares how architecture can improve quality of life across generations—without chasing trends or perfection.
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In this episode of Convo By Design, I share my first conversation with architect Cathy Purple Cherry for a wide-ranging conversation on architecture as a deeply human, emotionally driven discipline. Purple Cherry discusses how architects must design for decades—not design cycles—and how shifts in technology, work culture, and climate have fundamentally altered the way homes and workplaces should function.
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The conversation explores the lasting impact of biophilic design, the realities of working from home at different life stages, and why many contemporary office environments fail to support collaboration or productivity. Purple Cherry also reflects on aging, accessibility, and the importance of designing homes that support real relationships, not social-media perfection.
Bold Vision, Grounded Leadership, and the Relentless Pursuit of Purpose. In this deeply personal and strategic conversation, Corey Damen Jenkins shares the discipline, resilience, and intentional leadership behind his rise—from knocking on 779 doors to building a global design brand rooted in humility, creativity, and purpose.
Corey Damen Jenkins is widely recognized for his exuberant interiors—fearless color, rich materiality, and a joyful sense of aspiration. But behind the visual confidence is a disciplined leader, strategic thinker, and resilient entrepreneur who built his career through persistence, focus, and unwavering belief in his purpose.
In this conversation, Jenkins reveals the principles that guide both his creative and business decisions. His “toy box philosophy” of time management emphasizes prioritization and clarity, while his belief in editing—removing distractions in both design and business—ensures that his work remains intentional and impactful.
Jenkins also shares the realities behind his success, including rejection, intellectual property challenges, and the pressures of leading a growing global brand. From licensing partnerships and product design to publishing and team building, every decision reflects his long-term commitment to protecting creative integrity and building something meaningful.
More than a story of success, this is a conversation about purpose. Jenkins explains how staying grounded, hiring with intention, and embracing humility have allowed him to build not just a celebrated design firm, but a life aligned with creativity, impact, and service.
Key Themes and Insights
Purpose-Driven Career Transformation
Transitioned from automotive corporate buyer to interior designer after a layoff.
Launched his firm during the 2008 recession—one of the most challenging economic periods.
Persistence defined his early career, including knocking on 779 doors to secure his first major client.
The Toy Box Philosophy: Strategic Time and Energy Management
Prioritize the most important commitments first.
Apply discipline to protect creative energy and focus.
Editing is essential in both design execution and business leadership.
Editing as a Creative and Business Discipline
Great design is as much about restraint as expression.
Strategic clarity requires removing distractions and excess.
Focus strengthens creative voice and brand identity.
Leadership Through Humility and Intentional Hiring
Values humility, integrity, and character over pure talent.
Builds teams based on trust, collaboration, and shared values.
Leadership grounded in humility creates resilience and longevity.
Protecting Creative Vision Through Licensing and IP Strategy
Strategic licensing partnerships expand reach while protecting creative authorship.
Collaboration with global brands strengthens business stability.
Intellectual property protection is essential in today’s copy-driven market.
Designers as Emotional and Strategic Partners
Designers serve as advisors, therapists, and trusted confidants.
Design has emotional, psychological, and lifestyle impact.
Interiors shape not only how spaces look—but how people live and feel.
Corey Damen Jenkins:
“Success requires focus. You have to put the big priorities in first.”
“Rejection isn’t failure—it’s part of the journey.”
“Humility keeps you grounded and makes you a better leader.”
“Design isn’t just about beauty. It’s about transformation.”
“I didn’t just want a career. I wanted a purpose.”
Purpose Before Prestige: Corey Damen Jenkins on Building a Life—and Career—by Design
Corey Damen Jenkins has built a career defined by bold interiors, fearless creativity, and unmistakable confidence. But the true foundation of his success isn’t aesthetic—it’s discipline, humility, and purpose.
Long before his work appeared in books, product collections, and design publications, Jenkins faced the uncertainty of reinvention. After losing his corporate job, he committed fully to interior design, launching his firm during one of the most volatile economic periods in recent history. The early days tested his resolve. He knocked on 779 doors before securing his first major client—a defining experience that shaped his perspective on perseverance and belief.
Today, that same discipline informs every aspect of his work. Jenkins approaches both design and leadership with intentional focus. His “toy box philosophy”—prioritizing the most important commitments first—guides how he manages his time, his studio, and his creative energy. Editing, he believes, is essential not only to great interiors but to building a meaningful business.
As his influence has grown, Jenkins has expanded into licensing, publishing, and product design, carefully selecting partnerships that align with his values and protect his creative voice. Yet despite his success, he remains grounded in humility—a principle he considers essential to leadership, growth, and longevity.
For Jenkins, interior design is more than aesthetics. It is emotional, personal, and transformative. Designers shape how people experience their homes and their lives.
His journey serves as a reminder that meaningful success isn’t defined by visibility or recognition. It’s defined by purpose, resilience, and the courage to pursue a creative life with intention.
Kitchen Revolution: Elevating Kitchens and Baths for Lifestyle, Wellness, and Technology. Designers and innovators discuss how kitchens and bathrooms have transformed into lifestyle-focused, wellness-oriented, and tech-savvy spaces, shaping the homes of today’s discerning clients. From pandemic-driven shifts to smart appliances, spa-like bathrooms, and open-concept living, this panel explores the evolving demands of homeowners and the strategies designers use to balance aesthetics, function, and innovation.
1. Introduction
Host Virzine Hovasapyan, Experience Director of Marketplace of Innovation for Pacific Sales, introduces the panel and sets the stage: kitchens and baths are no longer purely functional—they are deeply personal lifestyle environments.
Emphasis on the convergence of beauty, comfort, and smart technology to meet wellness-focused and tech-savvy client needs.
2. Panel Introductions
Karen Rideau, Kitchen Design Group: three decades of experience, expanding from kitchen and bath to full interior architecture.
Holly Hollenbeck, HSH Interiors: bi-coastal firm specializing in remodels and new builds, high focus on kitchen and bath.
Lori Hafele, Hafele Design: luxury cabinetry-focused design, hard surfaces specialist.
Pam Barthold, Poziom Designs: national remodels, holiday decor focus, wellness integration.
3. Pandemic and Post-Pandemic Shifts
Kitchens evolving into living spaces for family interaction and entertaining.
Movement from segmented to open-plan living; the kitchen is now the “heart of the home.”
Rise of furniture-like cabinetry and hidden storage to maintain aesthetic beauty.
4. Collaboration Between Designers and Showrooms
Importance of collaboration between designers, manufacturers, and showrooms.
Need for continuous education on appliance and technology innovations (steam ovens, microwaves/air fryers, modular units).
Designers as knowledge bridges for clients.
5. Wellness in Kitchen and Bath
Bathrooms now spa-like: steam showers, infrared saunas, cold plunges.
Kitchens adapting for wellness-conscious lifestyles: beverage centers, accessible hot water, herb gardens, indoor/outdoor cooking integration.
Rebuilding After the Fire: How Designers, Architects & Community Leaders Are Reimagining Livability in Southern California A panel of architects, designers, sustainability experts, and community advocates explore what the 2025 Palisades and Altadena fires taught us about resilience, materiality, community loss, rebuilding timelines, economic displacement, and the future of Southern California living. Moderated by Adam Hunter.
The 2025 Palisades and Altadena fires delivered a historic and deeply personal shock to Southern California communities, reshaping not only homes but expectations for safety, materiality, and resilience. In this WestEdge Wednesday conversation moderated by Adam Hunter, the panel digs into both the physical and emotional layers of rebuilding.
Architect Richard Manion contextualizes the fires as a “perfect storm”—a wind-driven event functioning like a flamethrower—requiring a more holistic approach to resilient construction. Sarah Malek Barney highlights the risks of long-standing industry shortcuts in material selection and emphasizes the renewed value of fire-resistant, performance-proven products. Marcella Oliver outlines actionable guidance from USGBC California and the Net Zero Accelerator, underscoring vetted building strategies and digital-twin modeling as essential tools for community education.
Stacy Munich brings forward the human consequences: underinsurance, temporary housing, and the emotional weight of rebuilding while navigating uncertainty. She explores prefab/precision-built housing as a potential solution for families priced out of traditional custom rebuilding. Todd Paolillo expands on the challenge of unifying a large number of well-intentioned contributors across agencies, nonprofits, and design sectors—and why true leadership must emerge to align them.
Education gaps for homeowners suddenly forced into complex architectural decisions
Economic realities shaping who can return and who is pushed out
Long rebuilding timelines and the risk of “enthusiasm fatigue,” as Adam Hunter notes
Avoiding both prefab monotony and hyper-luxury displacement in the Alphabet Streets
The panel collectively reinforces a core message: rebuilding isn’t simply architecture—it’s long-term community-making. And it requires every discipline to show up.
PARTICIPANTS & WEB LINKS
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Let me start with a disclaimer—this isn’t a political editorial. It’s a conversation about ideas. Lessons from business, design, culture, and philosophy that might help us grow—individually and collectively. And if you disagree, email me at ConvoByDesign@Outlook.com. I welcome the debate.
As this year closes, I’m feeling a mix of frustration and optimism. This moment feels chaotic—as does most of life lately—which is why I often end the show with, “rise above the chaos.” We can’t eliminate it, but we can manage what’s within our control. The Stoics told us that long ago: focus on what you can control, release what you can’t, act with virtue, and let obstacles sharpen resilience. This essay is about taking back even a small amount of control through the work we do and the spaces we shape.
The Problem with Trend-Driven Design
This year, phrases and hashtags flew faster than ever—Quiet Luxury, Brat Green, Fridgescaping, Millennial Grey. Much like the “big, beautiful bill” language we’ve all heard tossed around in political discourse, design’s buzzwords can distract from what actually matters. They generate attention, not meaning. They look good on social media, not necessarily in the lived experience of a home, workplace, or public square.
So instead of centering our design conversations around fleeting edits, let’s pivot toward the global innovations that are transforming the built world in ways that truly matter.
Across the globe, designers, architects, and researchers are developing ideas that transcend buzz. These are the concepts with longevity—the ones shaping smart, resilient, human-centered spaces:
Biophilic Design, rooted in the work of Edward O. Wilson, Erich Fromm, and Japanese shinrin-yoku, continues to reframe our relationship with nature.
Net-Zero Architecture, pioneered in Canada, Germany, and Australia, redefines building performance through projects like Seattle’s Bullitt Center and Colorado’s RMI Innovation Center.
Smart Homes and Invisible Tech, building on early Asian innovation, hiding circuitry and functionality behind seamless design powered by Apple, Google, and Amazon ecosystems.
Prefab and Modular Construction, originally exemplified by structures like the Crystal Palace and the Sydney Opera House, now reimagined by firms such as Plant Prefab.
Passive House Design, born in Germany but rapidly shaping U.S. projects in California, New York, and the Pacific Northwest.
And the list goes on:
Self-Healing Concrete by Hendrik Marius Jonkers
Guggenheim Abu Dhabi by Frank Gehry
Bët-bi Museum in Senegal by Mariam Issoufou
Powerhouse Parramatta in Australia
Pujiang Viewing Platform in China by MVRDV
Landscape and biophilic approaches—Wabi-Sabi gardening, edimental gardens, climate-adaptive landscapes, and indoor biophilia—are redefining how we engage with natural systems in daily life.
Even infrastructure has become a site of innovation:
CopenHill/Amager Bakke, Denmark’s waste-to-energy plant with a ski slope
Urban Sequoias by SOM—skyscrapers designed as carbon sinks
3D-printed timber in Germany, Finland, and France
This is the work that deserves our attention—not the color of the week on TikTok.
Rethinking the Shelter Space
For years I described architecture as a language, design as a dialect, and landscape as the narrative. Mies van der Rohe famously introduced the concept of architecture as language. It caught on, and then the bandwagon effect took over. But today, the metaphor feels insufficient—especially for the shelter space, where people spend their lives, raise families, work, heal, and age.
The shelter space isn’t like a retail store or restaurant, where design is often intended for those who pass through briefly while the people who labor there navigate the leftover space. The shelter space must serve those who inhabit it deeply and continuously. And that shifts the conversation.
Design begins with the usual questions—purpose, function, users, goals, budget. But these questions don’t define design. They only outline it. There is no universal purpose of architecture or design, no single philosophy, no singular “right” answer. The shelter space varies as widely as the people living within it.
So instead of treating architecture and design as technical processes, we should approach them philosophically.
A Philosophical Framework for Design
Stoicism offers clarity:
Accept that budget overruns and changes will occur. Respect the expertise of the designer you hired. Invest in authenticity rather than dupes. Create environments that support health—clean air, clean water, noise reduction, resilience.
Utilitarianism reminds us that choices have consequences. If the design decisions you make are based on influencer content instead of expertise, the result is no surprise.
And now, a new framework is emerging that could transform our shared spaces entirely.
Sensorial Urbanism: Designing the City We Actually Feel
One of the most compelling movements emerging globally is Sensorial Urbanism—a shift from focusing on how the city looks to how it feels. It’s neuroscience, phenomenology, and inclusive design rolled into a multi-sensory toolkit.
Five Key Sensory Principles
Soundscaping
Water features masking traffic. Acoustic pavilions. Designed sound gardens.
Paris’ Le Cylindre Sonore. Soundscape parks in Barcelona and Berlin.
Smellscaping
Native flowers, herbs, and aromatic trees restoring identity—especially critical after disasters like wildfires.
Kate McLean’s smellwalks map a city’s olfactory signature.
Tactile Design
Materials that invite touch and respond to temperature—stone, wood, water—connecting inhabitants to place.
Visual Quietness
Reducing signage and visual clutter, as seen in Drachten, Netherlands, creates calmer, more intuitive environments.
Multisensory Inclusivity
Design that accommodates neurodiversity, PTSD, aging, and accessibility through tactile paving, sound buffers, and scent markers.
Why It Matters
Because cities didn’t always feel this overwhelming.
Because design wasn’t always rushed.
Because quality of life shouldn’t be compromised for aesthetics.
Sensorial Urbanism reconnects us with spaces that are restorative, intuitive, and emotionally resonant. A city is not just a picture—it is an experience.
The Takeaway for 2026
Rising Above the Chaos: Lessons from 2025 for a Smarter 2026
HED (3-sentence summary):
As 2025 closes, the design and architecture world has experienced unprecedented chaos and rapid trend cycles. In this episode, Soundman reflects on lessons from business, culture, and global innovation, emphasizing resilience, purposeful design, and human-centered spaces. From Stoic philosophy to sensorial urbanism, this conversation offers guidance for navigating the next year with clarity and intentionality.
DEK (Expanded description):
Twenty twenty-five tested the design industry’s patience, creativity, and adaptability. In this reflective episode, we explore the pitfalls of trend-driven design, the enduring value of service, and the innovations shaping architecture globally — from net-zero buildings to multisensory urbanism. With examples ranging from TimberTech decking to Pacific Sales’ trade programs, we examine how designers can reclaim control, prioritize meaningful work, and create spaces that heal, inspire, and endure. A philosophical lens, practical insights, and actionable guidance make this a must-listen for professionals and enthusiasts alike.
Outline of Show Topics:
Introduction & Context
Reflection on the chaotic year of 2025 in design and architecture.
Disclaimer: this is a philosophical conversation, not a political editorial.
Invitation for audience engagement via email.
Trends vs. Meaningful Design
Critique of buzzwords like “quiet luxury” and “millennial gray bookshelf wealth.”
Emphasis on global innovation over social media-driven trends.
The gap between American design influence and international innovation.
Global Innovations in Architecture & Design
Biophilic design and its philosophical roots.
Net-zero buildings: Bullitt Center (Seattle), RMI Innovation Center (Colorado).
Smart homes, modular construction, and passive house adoption in the U.S. vs. abroad.
Focus on Service & Professional Support
Pacific Sales Kitchen & Home: Pro Rewards program and exceptional service.
TimberTech: innovation in sustainable synthetic decking.
Importance of performance, durability, and client-focused solutions.
Philosophical Approach to Design
Architecture as experience, not just a visual language.
Stoicism, utilitarianism, and mindfulness applied to design.
Sensorial urbanism: engaging all five senses in public and private spaces.
Emerging Global Examples of Innovation
Self-healing concrete (Henrik Marius Junkers), Copenhill (Denmark).
Returning to performance, resilience, and quality of life.
Practical guidance for designers in all regions, including overlooked U.S. markets.
Closing Reflections & New Year Outlook
Encouragement to rise above chaos and focus on what can be controlled.
Goals for 2026: intentional, human-centered, and innovative design.
Call to action: share, subscribe, and engage with Convo by Design.
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I imagine you and I are similar in many ways. When creating my editorial calendar, I try to craft a broader narrative of the design and architecture industry. I view this show as a time capsule being both created and consumed in real time. But if you go back and listen to episodes from 2013 when this podcast was started until now, you will discover an illustrative exposition that both narrates in real time and looking forward to demonstrate where the industry is going by examining where we are. It’s a futuristic approach to the built environment. To be transparent with you, that is the part I enjoy most. Every now and then, like the impact of a meteor, something happens to make us all think about the industry as we know it. As we approach the work. These days, it feels like we are experiencing an unending barrage of meteor strikes which is turning our industry upside down. And, believe it or not, I’m not even talking about tariffs, government chaos, wildfires or the supply chain!
We will be reviewing all of these, but not today. In 2018, you might have heard a conversation I published from the LA Design Festival on the topic of intellectual property rights, IP law and how it was affecting the industry. In the following episode, I will be introducing you to Andrew McBride, Partner @ Adams & Reese and Carter Pope, Associate @ Adams & Reese. I found Andrew and Carter while on a journey of exploration, there is a case moving it’s way through the legal system called Aaron and Samantha Judge v. Drew Designs, LLC. This is a case about a design relationship gone wrong rife with communication issues, contract issues and a litany of other things that make for a messy professional relationship that winds up in the courts. McBride and Pope authored an article called, “Hidden Ball Trick” – Yankees’ Aaron Judge Case Involving Deception Carries Lessons for Contractors.I’ve added a link in the show notes and I highly recommend this for contractors, architects and designers. The following conversation covers a number of issues that led to both parties winding up in court and as you are going to hear, much if not all of this could have been avoided. In addition to this case, we also explore, the Judd Foundation v. Clements Design, Inc. in a case that will surely affect the future of dupes as well as another case winding it’s way through the courts like a medieval knight moving through the digestive tract of a money guzzling dragon, Gifford v. Sheil. Perhaps the metaphor is too graphic, I’ll rethink that one. But it fits. The law is a complicated knot of ideas and it seems to me the best way to avoid legal entanglements is to do good business in the first place and when disagreements come up, and they will, you work hard to find common ground and squash it. And this is why. You will hear the whole conversation with Andrew McBride and Carter Pope of Adams & Reese, right after this.
Thank you, Andrew and Carter. Enlightening. Thank you to my incredible partner sponsors, TimberTech, Pacific Sales, and Design Hardware. Amazing companies and great friends to the trade so please give them an opportunity for your next project. Thank you for listening, subscribing to the show and sharing with your colleagues. If not already subscribing, please consider that so you receive every new episode automatically to your podcast feed.
Until next week, thank you for sharing this time together, until the next episode, be well, stay focused and now that it has arrived in earnest, try to rise above the chaos. – CXD
This is the final installment of KBIS Confidential Creative Conversations LIVE from KBIS 2025 and for this one, we enter the Business & Trends track from the programming from the NextStge. In this session, we explore strategies for balancing client expectations with tight budgets and turn challenges into opportunities for growth in today’s ever-changing and challenging economy.
I moderated this program which was an honor and a joy for a number of reasons and the best part was the incredible group of creatives empaneled for this really important talk; Arianne Bellizaire, Owner & Creative Director, Arianne Bellizaire Interiors LLC, Kim Gordon, Lead Designer, Kim Gordon Designs and Lisa McDennon, Principal, Lisa McDennon Design. Because you are the amazing listeners and friends of the show, you have heard from Lisa and Kim on the show previously and while Arianne is new to the show, it will not be the last time you hear from her.
This conversation was extraordinary for so many reasons that you will hear for yourself. If you are a design professional trying to:
Navigate the daily changes in levels of consumer confidence
Upgrading your clientele
Matching the energy of your clients
Creating strategic partnerships
Putting your face, firm and story into the public to gain notoriety and promotion of your work
Prepare for wild price and changes in product availability
Future proof your business
Well, the following conversation was created just for you. Enjoy
You have heard past episodes about the WestEdge Design Fair in Santa Monica, California each Fall. I have been working with Megan, Troy and the entire WestEdge team for 7 editions of the show over 10 years minus those years where the show was cancelled due to the pandemic but I still published content on the podcast featuring show programming. Having left SoCal for Tulsa, it’s not as easy as the quick drive down Lincoln Boulevard to the show. No, it means travel.
When I was a kid, not much got me as excited as going on a trip. The excitement didn’t start when I got to the destination, it began at the airport. The airport was a place that required fashion choices, we dressed up to travel. It was an experience to walk in, present official documents and then proceed to the lounge where my sister and I would be treated to sweet treats and beverages. That led to an amazing journey that carried over to the plane. There were more Shirley Temples for my sister and I and my parents would have an adult beverage and let me keep the little bottles. By the way, I always shook the last drops out of the bottle and it was never as pleasant as I thought it would be. I dread travel now. The cattle drive that is airport security is stressful, uncomfortable, and one of the more unpleasant experiences we all must endure when traveling. Airport furniture is uncomfortable, cramped and in many cases, damaged and broken.
I was thinking about that while going through security on the way back to Tulsa. Is anyone but me surprised by this process and just how bad it is. And how the lack of comfort and. Service in the airports now don’t meet expectations in any other aspect of our lives. If our homes were as dysfunctional, overpriced and uncomfortable, I can’t think of many people that would tolerate it. The pandemic allowed us to do our work from home offices and now employers want their employees back in the office while most haven’t addressed the poor working conditions. And they’re getting kick back.
Why am I telling you about this? I was processing all the amazing moments for the 2024 edition of the WestEdge Design Fair. This was the best edition yet. I started working with WestEdge in 2015. I went and covered the show, conducted interviews and had a small 10 x 10 as a base of operations. 2016, I hosted the first Convo By Design Programming Lounge with amazing partners like Warner Bros, The Rug Company, Hollywood at Home and it was designed by Ryan White. In 2017, I took over the theater programming at WestEdge and did it again in 2018 and 2019, lost years 2020, 2021 and 2022, came roaring back in 2023 and this was my 7th WestEdge over 10 years. We have seen some wonderful talks by incredible creatives over the years and this year was no exception. The conversations and ideas discussed are inextricably part of what makes the design industry so amazing and mandatory if we are to further improve the form, functionlaity and performance of the spaces where we live, work and play.Back to the airport for a minute. I think it’s the consultants who screw up the airports. Give some quality designers a shot at airport redesign and you would see something amazing happen. And that all starts with education and sharing ideas for broader adoption.
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Over the next 10 weeks, you are going to hear talks, panels and conversations from the show, so I wanted to open this up with a teaser, a sample of some of these conversations like this from Authenticity VS. Dupes: Theft or “Inspired by” Placing the Priority on Uniqueness and Honoring the Creative Process of Those Who Craft Original Work There are stories, you have no doubt heard them or seen them for yourself on Instagram or the websites offering dupes of almost everything for less. There are many reasons why the copy-market thrives and why some creatives feel that they are entitled to change it a small detail and call it their own. Is the value in the look of it for less, or paying a bit extra and knowing you have an original? Perhaps the copy-market, while always present, only thrives during crisis-pricing for the real thing. We explore the value of original work and how knock-offs are changing the nature of creative design.
After so many conversations at the show this year, a few things became quite clear. We are in a bifurcated market. Some designers are extremely busy, others, not so much. The most creative and successful creatives all understand that the one way to maximize their edge is to attend these events, talk to new suppliers, vendors and product manufacturers. We all have to be lifetime learners if our hope is to maintain a competitive edge. That means coming out and attending these panel conversations as so many have this year and in past years. Gather incredible product and technical application about kitchen design like this from The Intelligent Kitchen: How Technological Advancements Create a Higher Quality of Life
We’ve all heard that the kitchen is the heart of the home. It has also evolved into the brain and central nervous system through advancements in modern technology. These developments have created a more intelligent kitchen and a space the addresses the emotional and intellectual needs as well. Thought-full design and development of modern appliances that address needs without being asked, a focus on food preservation, preparation, cooking and a mindful approach to household tasks have changed the way designers think about the kitchen. They are providing new avenues for the enjoyment of kitchen spaces and an increased quality of life that is human-centric. Learn how the kitchen has been forever changed and how these advancements will continue to evolve.
Moderated by; EZ Gonzalez, Pacific Sales Kitchen and Home
Something that has taken hold globally is the idea that living small doesn’t have to be spartan and without enjoyment. The ADU Revolution is real and nowhere else has it evolved to fully capture the California Style than in Southern California. But the beauty here is that these ideas, once explored don’t just stay in California. Those ideas are exported for the benefit of others.
Small Space Big Style: The ADU Revolution and Popularity Behind Living Small The Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) has become an amazing opportunity for those wishing to add additional space to a property. ADUs have also changed the way many think about living within a smaller footprint. Whether a first home, guest house, income generating space, home office or other functional space, a small space can still offer big impact. The Cato Institute tracks the stratospheric rise of ADU’s and demonstrates how once again, California is leading the way in creative problem solving. Hear what’s next for the ADU, and how homeowners, developers and tenants are planning accordingly.
This next panel was an absolute blast for a number of reasons. I did not expect to moderate this one, but I was fully prepared when the need arose. To be completely honest, I was hoping I could sit in the audience and enjoy this one, but I had to fill in last minute and I am so thankful that I did. Not only was this program jam packed with amazing talent, but there were some truly groundbreaking ideas explored here.
Is it Really Worth Saving? Iconic Architecture or an Old but Poor Representation What makes an architectural work worth saving from the bulldozer? The architect? The style? The age? A famous past resident? How are preservation decisions made when historical considerations are in conflict with the rights of the current owner? What is the responsibility of the city and what municipal rules/regulations help address such discussions? Join this conversation with industry insiders as we explore preservation and progress.
One of the biggest questions facing the industry today is how will the recent election and how those elected will change policy on just about everything from tariffs that affect the cost and availability of goods. Or AI, building restrictions, or event cultural issues. How might our societal issues change the very nature of the design and architecture communities?
What’s Next: How the Recent Election will Affect Design No matter who wins, changes are coming. How can the business of design adapt to these changes, and thrive at the same time? Will additional tariffs change the pricing model of goods? How will new regulations affect transportation, fuel usage and household appliances? During these uncertain times, we’re all looking for a bit more stability and direction. Learn how to best navigate the changing landscape and better prepare your design firm and clients for the future.
Connected – Brought together or into contact so that a real or notional link is established. Unconnected – Not joined together or to something else. Disconnected – Having a connection broken. How do some of today’s most talented and sought after creatives approach connectivity, what does that even mean?
Connected vs. Unconnected: The Future of the Home The debate rages on… The fully connected home where all can be automated vs. the unconnected environment and the return to the beauty of form, function and simplicity. We’re not Luddites, but if we look at the experiential nature and convenience of a connected space, we must also consider what it means to have a space that is intentionally unconnected. The removal of screens, tech, automation, phones, and tablets can create calm and allow opportunities for true reconnection with self and others. Offline. Join this compelling conversation about AI, automation and the pros and cons of a fully connected home in a complicated world.
We’ve covered interiors, policy, technology, small spaces, practical connectivity, so let’s take it outside.
The Great Outdoors: Reimagining California’s Love for Outdoor Living Californians have perfected outdoor living, largely due to the favorable climate. As weather patterns change, the design industry has adapted with sustainable materials, inventive building practices and creative use of space including outdoor kitchens, theaters, plunge pools, functional landscapes, and unique approaches to sport courts. From pickleball to a pickle martini, design meets entertainment with the new innovations in outdoor design.
We’ve covered a lot here but you’ve only heard a small part of what’s to come. We have additional programs to share and these programs in their entirety. They are wonderful and I am thrilled to share them with you. Thank you Julie Beuerlein for designing an extraordinary space from which to have these conversations. Thank you Pacific Sales for presenting the WestEdge Theater. Thank you to all of our incredible speakers, panel sponsors like EMTEK and TimberTech. And of course, our amazing audience who came out, took notes, asked great questions and provided an incredible energy. Enjoy these conversations. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast so you receive all of the full panel talks the moment they are published. We’ll see you in November at the Barker Hangar for the 2025 edition of the WestEdge Design Fair. – CXD
