It has been too long since we spoke to a set decorator here on the podcast. I love speaking with set decorators as much as I do designers and architects, want to know why? Theirs is a business where you can’t say ‘no.’ Can’t get that sofa in that color? Too bad, figure it out. Need a Frank Lloyd Wright inspired lamp for the library shoot? Go find it. At the same time, there is no specific client that is going to tell you it’s not right. Sure, there are producers, a director, a DP, actors, fans and your work is going to be seen, most likely by millions of people… no pressure.
Kelley Burney has a long list of credits including The American’s, American Made and Precious. She is a member of the Set Decorators Society of America and knows pressure. if the audio sounds a little wonky, it is at times. I had to record with Kelley via Skype and we made it work, because that is what Set Decorators do. Listen for tips and strategies used in set decoration that also ally to interiors. Very similar, really.
I’m Josh Cooperman, host and publisher of Convo By Design. This is another episode of Legendary Conversations, stories, events and intimate chats with legends of design. This conversation, Clutter Can Be Cool, was moderated by Introspective Magazine Editorial Director, Anthony Freund and features an all-star cast of creatives including Thomas Jane, Kerry Joyce, Tom Stringer and Mary McDonald.
The panel is called Clutter Can Be Cool and you will hear a certain amount of displeasure launched at Marie Kondo. And I understand. I think Kondo’s organizational techniques and ideas have been helpful to so many, at the same time, I do understand why so many in the design community take issue with her philosophy. Listen for a great point made by Freund about Kondo’s ideas regarding minimizing the number of books one collects yet she is an author. Design is personal, design is experiential and those who love to be surrounded by things don’t want to be told that to be happy, you must limit the number of things in your life. This is a great chat about stuff and things. The type of things that make for extraordinary design. To the best of my abilities, as design enthusiast, I can’t imagine design without things. At the same time, there is beauty in the ‘edit’. Please follow the show on iTunes, YouTube and through social media. I’ll let the experts take it from here.
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I speak a great deal about ‘modern’. Modern materials, modern architecture, and the like. I had an opportunity to sit with architect Gregory Phillips for a chat about modern with a twist. Many twists actually. Phillips is an award-winning UK architect who came to the States to build his particular brand of modern home.
This is a bit of a cultural blending and bending chat because designing for a British client can’t be same as designing for a Californian, can it. I’m guessing not, but Gregory is going to take that one. At the same time, this is an architect using modern materials and old-world craftsmanship to reimagine what a contemporary structure can be.
Josh Borris is the President of Core Development Group. Josh and I met in the Snyder Diamond showroom and recorded in the Living Kitchen Studio. It is always fun fro me to speak with developers because they truly have their finger on the economic pulse of design and architecture. Josh has a love for the design side, knowledge of the architectural elements and a keen understanding of the business side of development. That is so important because without the economics working out, most of what we do doesn’t get done in the first place.
I also really enjoyed the conversation with Josh Borris because he loves the design side and really works to make the numbers work without sacrificing the design. This provides a great opportunity to lear how to make some small changes in your own design that preserve budget without cutting corners.
This is another episode of Legendary Conversations. These are the conversations, interviews, keynotes and intimate gatherings form the LaCienega Design Quarter’s Legends event.
The LaCienega Design Quarter is one of the most influential industry trade organizations in the US and the annual Legends event is a beautiful example of this. For the past decade, LCDQ has been welcoming the design community and enthusiasts alike to get out of their cars and walk the district to see the amazing and wonderful creations erected in the showroom windows.
This episode features an amazing chat moderated by Pamela Jaccarino and featuring remarkable insights from James Magni, Nicole Fuller and Alex Papachristidis. The conversation is a debate about Maximalism vs. Minimalism. Pam suggested not saying versus because James thinks the world is a bit too combative now and while I don’t disagree, I think when having a debate, one must take sides or what’s the point.
This debate does get a bit heated and I think that it should. We are at a crossroads. We are a consumer based society, you know I’m right. At the same time, consumerism leads to waste, over production and tapping out vital resources. As it relates to design, many are out there doing incredible things with very little. Where’s the line? That is the basis for this conversation that was recorded live from the Tufenkian showroom on LaCienega. I hope you enjoy it. And if you do, please leave a rating and review for the Convo By Design podcast on iTunes. You can also follow the show and all the members of this amazing panel:
This is a look back at the 2019 Pasadena Showcase House for the Arts. A phenomenal accomplishment this year. The project reimagined the Boddy House located inside Descanso Gardens. It is a big property. One of the things that always surprises me is how the designers can come in, apply their creative vision and somehow, it all seems to work cohesively with the work of all the other designers. This year is no exception to that phenomenon. Okay, I am keeping my commentary brief here because we have over 16 amazing designers to speak with. I am not going to try and put every designer on one episode because that would be completely exhausting for you. I am going to put this out in four parts with four designers each.
As has been my process for the past year or so, I have video and imagery to compliment the podcast. Listen to the episode and hear how the designers crafted their spaces. They share the stories behind the designs, then make your way over to the Convo By Design YouTube channel and see their work for yourself. My hope is that this will give you an experience that is a close as possible to actually being there, but you can’t because the 2019 Pasadena Showcase House is now closed. I hope you enjoy the tour.
Designers in this episode include:
Taylor Jacobson
Taylor Jacobson Design
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Jeffrey Johnson
Jeffrey Design
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Lynnea Shwieters
Lynnee Jean Interior Design
Instagram: @LynneaJean
Shari Tipich
Shari Tipich Decorative Artist
Instagram: @ShariTipichArtist
Pasadena Showcase House for the Arts
Instagram: @PasadenaShowcaseHouse
Thank you to the amazing artists and designers. Thank you Pasadena Showcase House for letting us be a part of the magic you create each year!
I recently held a Design Influencer Group at the Tidelli Outdoor showroom in Newport Beach. This event featured some amazing and influential creatives from Orange County and San Diego. For those unaware, there is a line of delineation between Los Angeles and Orange counties. crossing from (310)/ (323) to (714)/ (949) might as well require a passport, shots and letting the babysitter/ dog sitter know that you won’t be back for a while. It’s not just the traffic, although, I am quite sure that is one reason many in the A&D don’t venture south.
Fact is, the A&D is strong in OC and SD. There is a large base of talent in firms and individuals working on amazing projects, yet most receive no media love unless they are talking about LA, PS or Ventura County projects (SoCal) or NY, even international projects. Why? I wanted to find out. I took a trip down to the Tidelli Outdoor showroom and met with some designers who seem to have many of the answers, but it didn’t seem to bother them the way it does me. But they did have some feedback on this subject and many other issues affecting the A&D biz down south.
Starting at the beginning. Here is who came out. I wanted you to hear some ideas they came out to share regarding the state of design and trending design ideas……
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Okay, back to the Design Influencer Group. Some big issues came up. First of which were some thoughts on shelter media.
Shelter Media Doesn’t Pay Much Attention to Industry Happenings Down South. Shelter space media (magazines) don’t cover OC or SD unless there is a ‘celebrity factor’ to the project. It can be a celebrity, titan of industry or other public figure, but without that, there is little interest. There is also a lack of meaningful industry events in OC and SD. I found that surprising. Considering that there is so much retail, why don’t more industry events take place in support of the design and architecture professionals who work here? I am going to be looking into that and possibly working with partners to explore this idea. The other side of the equation must also be explored though. If there were trade focused events, would the A&D community support it? It is certainly an idea to consider.
Retail vs. Custom. There is a disconnect with clients between retail and custom as it relates to the difference between decorating and design. The majority of clients don’t seem to fully grasp the value of custom in relation to retail. Finding the right piece or having the perfect piece made is somewhat of a foreign concept to many clients. This can only be due to lack of client education.
Design Process Confusion. The design process is changing. Because there are so may different ways designers charge, it have created confusion in the marketplace. Clients don’t know what they should pay vs. what they are being asked to pay. What is true value for design services? This led to an in-depth conversation regarding pricing models themselves and it was surprising to me to find out just how many are in use. They Include: Flat fee + discount off retail, price per foot, hourly plus mark-up, flat fee for construction + hourly for post-construction design work, price per foot with “x” changes and mark-up, project management fee + hourly/ cost per foot or flat fee.
With so many different options (there are others but for sake of space, it was limited to these) it was determined to be crucial that the following must be employed:
Designers, architects and others providing creative services must have a comprehensive business plan that outlines the type of services and fee structures they are willing to accept.
Contracts must be written with specificity even if multiple forms of pricing for services are used.
Communication with clients is critical to the success of the project. Many, if not most clients will not read the contracts they are given. It was suggested that most will study the design boards and go straight to cost. If that is the case, it is crucial for creative service providers to do their best to make sure the client understands the process.
Editor’s Note: This ALSO includes the expectations and behavioral inclusions. If you don’t want texts at 8pm, specify your hours in advance. When you will be available to meet, talk, review and be on-site. You need to get editorial approvals and publishing permissions in advance and in writing.
Project Management Tools. One issue that comes up on a regular basis and did here as well is the desperate need for a project management tool for creatives. Specifically, designers. This suite of tools needs to include a CRM, a content management tool, billing, invoicing, social media management, and a resource tool for specifying. While many of these tools exist, none seem to accomplish everything in a scaleable and flexible way. Why? Not quite sure but expect this issue to keep coming up until someone solves for it.
Editor’s Note. This suite of tools should also include a mechanism allowing creatives to publish as well. Publish photos, newsletters, blogs, videos, podcasts. They should have a way to drop content into a template, tag projects, resources and social media all with one-button efficiency. Can someone get on that, please?
Client relations. This is a big issue that continues to come up and will continue to come up because there is no easy answer. Designers and architects, in my experience, don’t view themselves the same way as an artist or performer, yet in many ways, they perform in similar ways. Imagine if everyone who bought a painting from an artist could text them at 9pm with a comment about how the blue doesn’t really shimmer the way it should on nights with a full moon. Many designers have shared stories where clients will text them at night with a comment or a question regarding a product on order or a future install. There should be rules of engagement in planning, during the job and after the work is complete. While there is no fix for every situation, this goes back to expectations and deliverables on a contract. “Do’s” and “don’ts” should be in writing. By not doing this, creatives leave the standards of behavior up to each individual client. Do so carefully.
The Top 5 Most Important Issues Affecting Shelter Design Creatives in Orange County and San Diego.
Summer 2019
5. Shelter publications are missing a remarkable opportunity to cover ground breaking design and architectural work in OC and SD.
4. Custom work is gaining momentum with more creatives completing one-off pieces for close to retail pricing.
3. Designers and architects should have well defined and easy to understand pricing and process for clients. This sounds like it should be universal, it’s not.
2. Project management tools for designers and architects are not user friendly and all encompassing right now. They should be and this presents a great opportunity fora company willing to do it right.
1. Client relations. Set the standards, terms and expectations. This applies to behaviors, communication and personal space.
The LaCienega Design Quarter is one of the most influential industry trade organizations in the US and the annual Legends event is a beautiful example of this. For the past decade, LCDQ has been welcoming the design community and enthusiasts alike to get out of their cars and walk the district to see the amazing and wonderful creations erected in the showroom windows.
This conversation was the second of two conversations with living legends. Suzanne is an interior designer whose signature style, elegant civility, places a focus on, “Fewer things, but better things.” Rheinstein was raised in New Orleans. Her southern roots have had a significant influence on her style and her design as well as her approach to people, which as most I think will agree is the whole purpose of good design in the first place. It’s not strictly something to be seen but to be experienced, shared and enjoyed with friends and loved ones.
The ideas espoused by Rheinstein are as relevant today as when she started in the business. It is, I think, crucial to the development of the industry for personalities like Suzanne to speak at events like this. Their knowledge and insight help young designers as well as mid-career creatives understand how their work is reflected over time. Speaking at events like this is an amazing way for accomplished creatives to give back to the industry and this chat is an instant classic. This was an intimate chat between Suzanne Rheinstein and Traditional Home Editor-in-Chief, Jill Waage, Enjoy.
Joan Barton is the founder and owner of Dirty Girl Construction. She is a general contractor and keenly aware that she is not a man. Let’s be frank for a minute. Construction as well as architecture are traditionally male dominated industries. This is not lost on Joan and one of the reasons I was so keen on speaking with her. Joan is a complex person, she studied music, art and is equally skilled in math and science. She attended the DeCordova Museum School, Boston’s Museum of Fine Arts, Parson’s The New School of Design and Berklee College of Music. For those not familiar with Berklee has a pretty stout list of alumni including John Mayer, Quincy Jones, Al DiMeola, Melissa Etheridge, John Scofield, Steve Van, Bruce Hornsby, Quincy Jones and Amee Mann just to name a few.
Joan is a complex creative with the ability to craft, construct and design. She is aware of the lack of diversity and how that does make her stand out. As you’ll hear, she relishes that and it seems to drive her. This is my conversation with Dirty Girl Construction boss lady, Joan Barton.
Convo By Design is presented by Snyder Diamond. A family owned company serving the SoCal design and architecture communities for 70 years. That’s 70 years helping designers and architects help their clients be the best they can be in the kitchen with products like those from SubZero Wolf and Cove. If you haven’t seen the PRO Series yet, you are in for a treat.
This is timeless design and lasting preservation from Sub-Zero. Available is sizes from 36” to 48”, and too many options to mention here so you have to go see them for yourself. Let’s not forget that from well preserved food comes well prepared food and that is why Wolf provides craftsmanship, innovation, design and performance that you can trust allowing cooks of all levels to achieve success in the kitchen. That’s also 70 grilling season! The full line of SubZero and Wolf outdoor appliances will provide you with the tools to design an outdoor kitchen that will make people wonder if you forgot to build in the walls. Amazing and your clients are going to love all the options and you are going to love the flexibility.
Sub-Zero and Wolf provide so many options from which to choose that, as a designer, your options are almost limitless. So, if you haven’t seen what Sub-Zero and Wolf appliances can do, it’s time for you to visit any of the three Snyder Diamond Los Angeles area locations. You can also visit the Sub-Zero Living Kitchen in the Pasadena and Santa Monica showrooms. I am constantly impressed and I think you will be too.
You’re listening to my conversation with Dirty Girl Construction founder, Joan Barton. Joan knows her business and knows what her clients both want and need. Someone else who knows that is Article.
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That was my conversation with Dirty Girl Construction’s Joan Barton. Special thanks to Joan, Snyder Diamond, Article and Vondom for their support of the podcast and thank you! Without you listening, there is no Convo By Design. Please check out the videos from some of your favorite podcast episodes. We’ll talk again next week and until then, keep creating
This was the first year that Convo By Design was represented as an official media sponsor of Legends. I cannot tell you how cool this is for me and I wanted to do something special to capture this showcase of remarkable talent. This is a special series called Legendary Conversations featuring the very designers and decorators responsible for transforming these showroom windows into extraordinary spaces. I also wanted to bring you some of the panels and keynote conversations that helped make this year’s event so special.
LaCienega Design Quarter has been a design destination serving LA’s vibrant and extremely talented design community for over 50 years. This design district is special for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that it is on not one but three of the most high profile and iconic thoroughfares in Los Angeles, LaCienega Blvd, Melrose Blvd and Melrose Place.
The district has seen Los Angeles change from trendy studio town to a global creative powerhouse. It’s no secret that I think LA is one of the most relevant and important creative cities in not just the country, but the world. I think the amount and level of creative contribution in multiple disciplines makes LA a vanguard and creative icon. That doesn’t happen because of a picture, building or landmark. It happens over time and it develops because of the people. For decades, creative types have been drawn to Southern California to reinvent themselves and there has always been communities of likeminded individuals to both receive and nurture them. The LaCienega Design Quarter is one of the most influential and the annual Legends event is a beautiful example of this. For the past decade, LCDQ has been welcoming the design community and enthusiasts alike to get out of their cars and walk the district to see the amazing and wonderful creations erected in the showroom windows.
This episode brings you designer Kevin Isbell, Gianetti Home founders Brooke and Steve Giannetti, Patrick Sutton, Brooke Wagner and Bridgid Coulter.
Thank you Kevin Isbell, Brooke and Steve Giannetti, Brooke Wagner, Patrick Sutton, and Bridgid Coulter. Thank you to Cambria Surfaces for their support. Thank you Tamar Mashegian, LCDQ President and longtime friend of the show, Patrick Dragonette, Special thanks to the amazing LCDQ showroom owners and managers and of course you because without you listening, there is no Convo By Design. For all Convo By Design episodes including the Legendary Conversations please find us everywhere you get your favorite podcasts. For more from each of these designers and to see their windows, follow Convo By Design on YouTube.
